West Coast Main Line South (WCML): London Euston - Milton Keynes Enhancement Pack

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Standard dtg route also does that

No worries! We hope you enjoy it, it's been a pleasure to help with it :)

Neither of those are needed now. You can still use the 377/2 weathering patch as that won't be affected

i get no branding on the LNRR tho...

Thanks Bella

I get the same, I'm trying to figure out which mod I have is causing this! Going to be a long slog identifying it...

I had to remove the Southeastern High Speed EP & Edinburgh to Glasgow EP as it was conflicting

can confirm removing SEHS EP fixed it for me too

Strange! Works fine for me with SEHS EP, the file causing the problem for me was BpoolScenaryMk1 - I think it was a mod that swapped in some MK1's for MK2's on the BPO route

See below

If your system is RAM-limited, it can flood memory trying to load this insane amopunt of assets. Be patient! It may appear to hang for a very long time, 8-10 minutes, but will evfentually finish up.

Same!!

class 350 after watfort junction gamecrash with ue4 error. without explaining about the error

weird didn't happen for me.. I followed the instructions on installs and requirements etc. sorry people are having crashes tho.

Should just be any branding patches and the Class 350 patch. It's all included in here.

the full branding wasnt working for me tho? i re enbled the seprarte patch and i got branding on the class 350

i had to re able that there was no branding for me for some reason and the class 350 1 gots its branding back so idk what going on in the mega patch.. but no crashes so far knock on wood for me

Okay, thank you for the info, good to know

yea it was weird i looked in zip file as well and didnt see anything for full branding for loco, maybe i miss somthing ? but no crashes with it on so i am stumped

As long as it's working that is what matters, and a good thing? I guess they will sort it out, then again maybe there is an issue with the branding that needs to be worked out. And you installed all the files from Zip Archive?

!TSW5_WCML_350_EP.pak
That is the file that contains the full branding for the 350, and it is contained within the zip file.

That is excellent thank you for getting back and for the clarification.

I've got the same issue as well

You can try setting your game settings Advanced/Effects Quality to Max it should show - until we can work out what the LODs are playing at

I have the same

Yes. Remove all other WCMLS mods you may have as they will conflict. Unzip ALL the contents of the zip into your DLC folder, download both files from the TT page and place those in your DLC folder and all will be well.

okay, thank you.

You’re welcome. Thankyou.

Feel free to have a go at it yourself hero. Give us all a heads up when it’s ready for release, I’m looking forward to it.

Oh dear... too many high vis people on the platforms... immediate immersion breaker... The world has ended!

This community at times really question if I should even still bother doing mods for people...

If it really bothers you that much then all I can say is don't bother installing this mod.

Honestly, unsure at the reason for the moan. You are essentially getting a free upgrade, we all do this off our own backs for the enjoyment of ya'all. Amen

I removed many of them today, but just for you I’m going to put them back in and add a few more for good measure.

Ridiculously immature responses to someone politely making a fair criticism. I have no idea why you all act like it's personal when someone critiques your work? Nobody is insulting you with this stuff, be polite :/

It's not fair criticism at all though, these are nitpicks more than anything. Again this is a free mod, not payware. It's not our job to fix broken DTG/Rivet routes.

It's fair enough if you want to give out some tips but just to call out such small issues such as there being too many high vis workers, you want to question if this person is being deliberately negative because he has nothing better to do than slate a mod that he wasn't forced to download.

Really weird that modders feel like that they can / should respond to valid feedback like this, as if just because the mod was free that feedback is invalid because you weren't paid to create it.

If you're creating a mod content to release it to the world, why wouldn't you want it to be the best it can be, and therefore accept feedback? Just such an odd attitude. Guy wasn't rude. The responses are super disproprtionate.

You're not going to improve on good feedback alone.

To make it absolutely clear here, we are not saying we don't appreciate feedback that isn't positive.

But when it comes to people blatantly just being rude because something isn't "railway practice" such as what was mentioned above we will simply not listen to it.

We cannot cater to absolutely everybody in this community, you change one thing then someone complains about it being wrong, it's an endless cycle and nobody wins.

Granted, however, somebody who I work with within the industry once said something very profound to me, "the only difference between an amazing mod and a terrible DLC is the price..."

That isn't to say this mod is "terrible DLC" - far far from it - but let's be honest, if DTG had released DLC where lights that should only be illuminated during a track posession were on, it would be more than valid feedback, and nobody would be disputing it.

Abundance of diaoramas is arguably to taste, although often less is more when it comes to static objects that over time can break immersion (you wouldn't have the same men, in the same orange hi-viz, every day of the week for the rest of your working life as a train driver, so it can be jarring after the novelty wears off, honestly) so personally I would think using them sparringly is preferable. Nobody would complain they're not there, realistically.

I would ask a similar question as to why the New Measurement Train doing the exact same diagrams in Fawx's TT when it more or less is seen in a different place nearly every single day.

It's the same with the high vis people, you just can't go into that extreme of detail of having it be different every time you boot up the map as it simply isn't possible (as far as I know at least).

All we were trying to do was liven up the stations to make them look better. Nothing more, nothing less.

Agreed, I think the middle ground of having less of them (rather than none of them) is valid feedback. It might not be actioned, but I think it's worth considering. Point being, OP wasn't especially rude in said feedback, other than being of a strong opinion, IMO.

The main difference with a timetable is that you don't have to drive at the same time of day, so you can avoid services or get some variance naturally anyway.

Even nitpicks aren't 'slating' though; I still think you're taking this kinda thing in a far too personal manner. It doesn't impact anyone when someone leaves a comment like this - they did nothing wrong. You can simply ignore it if you wish and it'd actually be a heck of a lot more polite and respectful or just simply make a response without the sarky tone?

I'm not saying I disagree that nitpicks can sometimes be a bit pointless, but that isn't the point as there simply are ways to respond to people politely without having to agree with them.

Mature communication. Learn it.

Appreciate it, I'll learn that for next time then.

Thank you for hearing me out and keep up the good work on the mod!

Now imagine if actual developers were this snappy with feedback. Imagine how much of a fuss would get kicked up then... Fife Circle, anyone?

Snappy in what way do you mean exactly?

I know Rivet do not take kindly to any feedback whatsoever, they don't seem to care either. Jasper in particular is incredibly passive agressive and the rest of the team are the same as well.

I've not heard many good things about them behind the scenes either.

being a american i love this mod with this route high vests dont bother me at dosnt break the immersion. lowkey was a nitpick tho ngl.....

Thanks all. Please stop now. We are very tired after trying to squash some really random bugs occuring last second, and you can understand it can be very time consuming doing this, at the same time as a fielding complains from people who haven't read any of the instructions, or bombard us with bugs which are a fault of the original DLC. All of this is free guys, and we're not here for adulation but to everyone - keep your expectations within reason. We don't have the full editor, things take ages to do, and add-on manager is an utter pita which makes life a lot more difficult than it should be.

Imagine complaining about a free mod.

@Bescot, dont pay the people any mind. There are 1000+ people enjoying this without complaining.

thx for all you do all & @bescot can't say it enough these mods truely make TSW more enjoyable!

Neither. It’s a limitation of the game and the way it’s been set up

ok thats understandable, is there a way i could get the passengers back without removing the mod or is that the sacrifice its one or the other?

There isn't really a way to do it unfortunately, not without absolutely cooking your hardware. It's a DTG issue.

no worries. i love the work you guys do so il end up keeping the EP will just feel odd if doing a stoppping service and never picking anyon eup, thanks to dgt incompitence again. but keep up the great work.

That wont be anything to do with our mod unfortunately, looks like an LOD issue.

alr

Did you extract the .zip folder?

@SprattyHeath I extracted everything from the zip folder into C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Train Sim World 5\WindowsNoEditor\TS2Prototype\Content\DLC

That’s a mod conflict causing that

@Jetwash thought so I will check later on and see what mod is causing the issue

Stator wich cab set up ? wich service?
i usually start with
ctrl+ enter (enter from numlockkeys)
Shift+ enter (enter from numlockkeys)

that will turn on all the safeties without having to look for it in the driver cab

@stexred Oh I know all of that, which is why I'm confused - I turned everything on and set it up correctly but was still only getting +35

It was, I think, the 18:16 ex EUS-WVH. Definitely one of the 805 services, but not 1000% sure which

Are you sure it's not the one of two dtg bugs with the 80x and the way arriving early deducts points? If you use keyboard shortcuts to turn on Aws in the 80x it turns OFF TPWS., so you sometimes have to switch it on by the back wall.

Class 805 18:16 EUS-WVH tested. I got a platinum level with safety systems on.

FWIW the above is also happening with the 710

There are no plans for RD support

Oh that's a shame ):

You’re welcome Denis!

I don’t know but the EP isn’t installed correctly as you wouldn’t see that billboard. It looks to me that your settings are low but I’ve never seen anything like that before so can’t help you I’m afraid.

Your texture settings have to be set to ultra
that's what worked for me

Okay thanks, I‘ll try that.
@JetWash: What do you mean with the EP isn‘t installed correctly? I unzipped all pak. files from the ZIP-folder. My FPS at Euston are not good but it works.

The poster I can see on the wall is not a poster in the EP

Yes, this is the game. There are many many more services than the default timetable so you hit the limit of passengers across the route. You can increase that limit but it will ruin performance at Euston. QED. For DTG to fix.

I had the bug in the amount of passengers even without the new Timetable. When I added this mod, I also had the bug in the original timetable.

Yes, as I said it is the game and nothing to do with the EP. There is nothing in the EP that touches passengers or could in anyway affect them.

Try setting your game settings Advanced/Effects Quality to Max

Freight isn't included currently, but will be coming in the future.

If you read the .PDF included in the .zip, it states at the bottom that freight will be coming for a future update.

We currently don't have a Raildriver, and for the time being there are no plans.

Will have a look at this if I get some spare time in the next few days

Version 5 had RD support. Enjoy!

I already made the window tints dark, they don't need to be absolutely pitch black otherwise you wouldn't be able to see anything at all.

Can you give a precise service number? Have you got any substitution mods as the 700/0 isn't on this route?!

Apologies, I realised it was the sub mods, and removed them. It was strange though because it had worked prior (had a completion medal in the list (it was all services that didn't work anymore), it must have been something dtg did to break the sub mod rather than anything with yours most likely.

I commented on both mods but once I figured out it was the sub mod (rather quickly) I thought that I had deleted my comments on both, but apparently not. Sorry for taking your time.

No worries. Sub mods can really break timetables if they're badly designed, and can sub in for really inappropriate trains xd

You must have a conflicting mod then if that's the case.

Probably best to ask at the announcement comments section. Nothing here affects that. Obviously the EP and TT will use more resources than the default route, and the announcement does seems quite unstable.

The auto announcer mod causing crashes has been known for a while

alr

That's a BA advertisement billboard.

https://www.thedrum.com/news/2024/03/28/british-airways-outdoor-ads-capture-passenger-s-faces-35000ft

It doesn't really work like that, but when DTG do their update, there won't be a requirement for Goblin. I'd still recommend it though. The 710 is great to drive on this route.

Great, thank you!

This is a core issue with the route unfortunately. There is a fix for this if you look on the forums.

I found a Steam discussion on this topic, but no one mentions a solution, just a note. I did not find a topic related to this problem on the DTG-forum. It really annoys me when passengers don't board 1972Stock :). For example, at Kensal Green station, passengers don't board Bakerloo line trains of course, so they pile up on the platform, and the Overground sometimes doesn't pick them all up because there are a lot of passengers getting off the train, and the doors close quickly.

Oh that.
It's a bug with the the 72 stock .
We wait for the fix from DTG.

That sounds like an LOD issue, which we cant fix unfortunately.

No, this is not possible I'm afraid.

They should not.

Thanks

The next big update from DTG will affect it and may cause some breakages but we'll update the mod again asap :)

Big thank you for this new update

You never had that option to begin with, you can only use the footbridge to change platforms at Tring. There's no point as there's nothing to see anyway.

I guess I know that I could have left the station. I get to Tring station, cross the foot bridge and get to that station house and further, all the way to the road. I haven't come across a part yet where I can't move on. I'm probably the only one who noticed it, maybe there's someone else... I don't know, I really like it, that you can get out of the station and then back on the train. a little, I take a walk... I watch the fast trains go by... etc. :)

Nothing in this pack effects those things. Please compare without the pack and see.

Ah ok, just in the dtg official one, they were all running with the pantograph up.

That is a timetable issue, update the timetable

I've done just that, hasn't seemed to fix the issue. Might be a dtg issue but there new WCML doesn't seem to have this issue.

Nvm have uninstalled all and reinstalled all. Seems to work perfect again. Thanks.

future AI at Bletchley

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/wcmls-enhancement-pack-update-8-tt-update-now-available.85419/page-14#post-941346

If you do that and still see any problems then it’s a problem with the base unit.

Cheers mate, panto and brake gauge fixed but interlock lights still illuminate after closing doors, clearly a game issue just still trying to figure out if it's because of the recent update or something to do with my individual game, if possible could you or someone else jump on and just check if you have the same issue please?

It's a very minor bug but still slightly ruins immersion for me

Just remove the mod and try it.

Already done so with no change

Removed all mods relating to 350, no change, further removed all mods relating to WCML, still no change and eventually removed all mods and tested the vanilla game, issue persisted so I'm lost, all I want to find out is whether this is an issue with my own installation (which I am doubting is possible with such a small but annoying bug) or it's a game bug needing to be patched.

"Interlock lights stay on after doors closing and the PBC brake % on screen doesn't align with the in cab pbc brake % gauge"
Yep definitely an issue with the original DTG content at the moment,

Alright cheers for your help anyway, guess I'll have to wait a good few months for it to be fixed. Great mod by the way and thanks for all your efforts. Good luck in future endeavours and keep the great mods coming :) .

The FL 66 I guess? It's the same mod as this one, which Laika gave us and it's a known issue
https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/mods/c3-train-sim-world/c18-pak-file-skins/c58-british/c112-locomotives/i4239-class-66-freightliner-legacyaddon
The GBRf version is ok

Yeh thats the one, thank you, it's not a big issue of course, just wasn't sure if you were aware. Thanks for the mod.

The scenery additions will, the custom trains & liveries wont. The EP is designed to work with the timetable mod.

Yes. It has been mentioned countless times before that this is a bug with the route that DTG need to fix. There are a set number of passengers spawn-able on the route and many of them are riding around on the tube as they never get on or off.

My ini mod helps this but I can’t fix it, only DTG can do that.

Can you tell me what mod that is?

im getting like this error LowLevelFatalError [File:Unknown] [Line: 1308] Failed to find function UpdateIsPowered in RVM_LNWR_Class350-1_DMS1_C /EustonMiltonKeynes/Map/EustonMiltonKeynesMap.EustonMiltonKeynesM

Do you have any other 350 or WCMLS related mods installed?

Ill check
[UPDATE] dont see any aside from the desiro sound mod

I had an identical problem. Same error. I have an EMK mod to improve the class 350. However, I also tried removing those mods and replacing them with WCML EP mods. In the end that didn't help either until I got the latest version of TSW 5. Now it works as it should.

do u know where to change versions?

download the game again because the last update I think was on December 17th

i reinstalled it today

Im going to see whats causing the problem

ok i tried it without the ep and it still crashes with the same error wtf

Does it crash if you remove ALL mods?

They haven’t fixed it. It didn’t make the patch.

No? It has nothing to do with Roblox.

Oh there is a train game on there which also hides maxwell with every update lol. Thought it might be related

seems just super slow this odd

I’ve just downloaded it and unpacked it myself to check and all is well. Has to be something your end I’m afraid. I can only suggest redownloading the pack and using a different unzip software. I use 7zip for what it’s worth

yea probably but it did work eventually lol just took lonnnggg time.

No, but I have to ask, why? They ones in the mod are the real ones…

I don't see the same thing. It's nothing to do with this mod though, the PIS is fed by the timetable. I can say in my experience it works flawlessly with Fawx's timetable, I don't use the included one at all.

Still having this issue that I don't know if is an issue or not!

If you mean by the passengers disappearing, this is a core issue unfortunately.

Ive test the original route without this mod and it Works fine no missing passengers

That’s because there is a limited number of passengers that can spawn on the route. Because basically half the trains on the route are broken in the sense that passengers NEVER disembark (the 72 stock being a particular problem) that limit gets hit earlier with a busier timetable. It is nothing we can fix I’m afraid, it’s on Rivet / DTG to sort out. They need to fix the passenger disembarking problem.

ps You can increase the total number of passengers that can spawn through the engine.ini but this cripples performance at Euston completely so isn’t really an option

Okay i will check that to increase the amount of it! I understand the issue :)

If you have a look in my ini I've made a couple of changes there and I find the issue pretty ok

How do you mean "i find the issue pretty ok"? A little odd if you asking me

What do you mean? I mean what I said…I have made a change in my engine ini mod and don’t really notice the missing passengers. I couldn’t be much clearer.

Okay can you try to do something more in the upcoming patch to avoid empty platforms? Maybe with some tweaks is there something to do

No. As we’ve both said, there’s nothing we can do about this. DTG say they’ve fixed the passengers not disembarking in this recent patch but I haven’t had chance to check that.

Something is fundamentally wrong with the way Rivet have set passengers up on WCMLS, and I think it’s telling that the new models that you see on the American routes are also not used either.

Ah okay thats bad.... I hope it will fixed anyway by DTG than soon...

If you know how to do it I would recommend using the settings in my ini for passenger density but add another line that increases the total number of passengers that can spawn on the route. Be really careful with that as messing with it brought Euston to a grinding halt fps-wise for me, which is why I haven’t put it into that mod. The theory being that you increase the total spawnable NPCs but decrease the density, in the hope it doesn’t crucify Euston. I left it at just reducing the density and doing that has meant they don’t all spawn in one place and the limit isn’t so easily hit. Hope that makes sense.

That's been caused by DTG's updates to the 350. Given it isn't working correctly as it is there are likely to be more, so when it is a finished product the mod will be updated

Fixed now - please re-download the trains zip

Did you buy the route from the Steam or Epic store?

Additionally, could you please share what the crash message says? We haven't had any such crashes from our side.

Crashes for me in the load screen. Former version of 350 EP loads without any issues... Thanks!

Which store did you buy the route from? Have you received the patch and is your game up-to-date?

Steam PC. Up to date and patches received. Thanks!

Could you share the error message, and the mods that you currently have? None of us are getting that crash.

It tells something about a VRAM problem, but I'm pretty sure that's not. Will elaborate if you don't mind: I load all the EP trains, last versions, except !TSW5_WCML_350_EP.pak, last version, and the game loads and runs perfectly in Fawx TT. I add the 350 EP and the game does not load. I delete ALL EP trains, except 350 EP, and the game refuses to load, popping up a message about VRAM exceeded. How does it come? Not logical due to the fact that all the other trains are using for sure more VRAM than the 350 alone. Besides. I load all, with an older version of the 350 and the game loads perfectly. Sorry for the extension and many thanks for your interest and help! Cheers!

Besides the EP and timetable, are you launching with any other mods? Try launching your game with the 350 EP only - nothing else. VRAM-related crashes on first launch are usually attributed to having a large number of mods that don't have AssetRegistry files, which I can confirm the 350 EP has.

Thank Goodness you're here! :D You were absolutely right, and I've been lucky... Just filtering my mods by date, I found at the end of the list a very old one, amongst more than 100 mods, concerning a texture for the 801. Deleted and now all your EP working like a charm! Thank you really a lot. Cheers and thanks again for your impressive work and interest!

Sorry for my late response. Everything is bought on Steam PC
The error is LowLevelFatalError [File:Unknown] [Line: 1308] Failed to find function UpdateIsPowered in RVM_LNWR_Class350-1_DMS1_C /EustonMiltonKeynes/Map/EustonMiltonKeynesMap.EustonMiltonKeynesMap:PersistentLevel.RVM_LNWR_Class350-1_DMS1_C_2147472724

Glad to hear it's sorted Omonyo!

highlightdarkness, that's something I've never come across before... Did you try with just the 350 EP installed?
That message suggests to me that there's some kind of mismatch between the files that the mod is expecting and the ones in your DLC.

All I/we can suggest is go into Steam and run a file verify. It looks like your latest patch hasn’t installed correctly for some reason.

No it does not. Not for the Watford DC line. 72 stocks would stop where the DOO monitors are usually at the end of the platform.

Its for 1972 stock

Did you even bother to read my reply?

Hi, sorry to hear this. Can you possibly share your crash message? Many thanks

Those graphics settings are likely too much for that graphics card and the crash is nothing to do with this mod

What resolution do you play at?

@Charlie - There is no crash message, my screen just turns black and have to restart my PC.
@JetWash - Playing at 1080P but the previous versions of this mod worked fine

If your screen is just going blank that, unfortunately, suggests a hardware issue.

I suspect your GPU is being overloaded. Could you start by selecting very high instead of ultra for your Sky quality?

Thanks, it worked. I turned down the sky quality and the shadow quality to high and its working.

Good news, pleased to hear it!

Is the mod tmSpikeesCabCamFixesTSW5.pak up-to date? Other than that make sure you update the game on Steam. Failing that take all other mods out other than the 350 EP and see what happens.

It was the tmSpikeesCabCamFixesTSW5.pak Mod, Thank you so much for your work dude you doing a great job here

DTG move the stop blocks every in every update. If they eventually stop doing that I'll finalise the lights.

It can’t ’not work for you’.

Do you have ALL the things listed as required, the absence of BML aside?

Yes, but I don't have the Railway Treatment Train either

Nevermind, I fixed it.

what was the problem and what did you do to fix it? it might help newer users to know that